Podcast Episode 76

Episode 076 25 min

The Critical Security Stage Every Startup Skips

with Michael Nov

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Episode 76 of The Security Podcast of Silicon Valley. Hosts Jon McLachlan and Sasha Sinkevich, co-founders of YSecurity, talk with Michael Nov, co-founder and chief executive of Prime Security, the New York and Tel Aviv company that reviews software designs for security risk before any code is written. Michael explains the ratio he saw at OwnBackup, three people reviewing designs for three hundred engineers, why the design stage is where the critical decisions are made and security is rarely in the room, why he thinks the designs produced from AI prompts are the attack surface nobody is reviewing, how four co-founders decided on October 8, 2023 to keep going, the first customer call that sold him on the company, and the enterprise MCP management problem he wished someone else would solve. Recorded July 29, 2025, nine days before Prime won the Black Hat USA Startup Spotlight. Published August 26, 2025. About 25 minutes.

Episode notes

Michael Nov, Co-Founder and CEO of Prime Security, reveals how ignoring the design stage creates costly security gaps later. He shares hard-won lessons from building at OwnBackup and launching a startup during crisis.

Hosted by Jon McLachlan and Sasha Sinkevich — co-founders of YSecurity.

The deep dive

Three reviewers for three hundred engineers

Michael Nov had every scanner a company could buy at OwnBackup and still watched features reach the last minute before anyone asked whether they were secure, because three people reviewed designs and three hundred wrote them. Nine days after we recorded, Prime Security won the Black Hat Startup Spotlight. Four months later it raised a $20 million Series A led by Scale, with PayPal as a customer. And the pain point he asked someone else to solve, managing MCP servers inside an enterprise, became a product the day this episode aired. Here is what he said, what the record shows since, the number behind every claim, and four tools to run against your own design process.

Sasha asked Michael Nov the question we ask every founder, what the biggest pain point in the market is, and he answered with a ratio.

“At the end of the day, the SDLC starts from designing and planning what you’re going to build. And that work was done at Own by three fantastic humans. The founder of OwnBackup, Ariel Berkman, he was the head of product security. So he deeply cared about products being secure from the get-go. But he had a team of him and two more. And there was 300 technical professionals. He couldn’t get to review every single change, every single issue we had, every single thing we wanted to build. And we many times were getting to the last minute before deployment, where security would find out about, hey, you guys are building this? Well, hold on. Is it secure? And in many cases the answer to this is no.”

Michael Nov, co-founder and chief executive of Prime Security, at 2:52

Listen · Michael on episode 76, from 3:28
About 52 seconds: the gap at the design stage, three reviewers, three hundred engineers, and the last-minute question. The clip stops on its own. Read the full transcript.

That is the whole episode in one number. Every tool in the modern security stack reads code, and the decision that made the code insecure was taken before any code existed, in a planning doc that nobody with security context had time to open. We recorded this on July 29, 2025, with Sasha Sinkevich co-hosting. Nine days later Prime won the Black Hat USA Startup Spotlight. The show notes were 33 words, which is not what the conversation deserves, so this page is what I wish I had known before we hit record, plus everything that has happened since: the ratio and the coverage numbers behind it, what “the design stage” actually means in a company that ships weekly, why Michael’s biggest worry is the designs nobody reviews now that code is generated from prompts, the four co-founders and the day after they started fundraising, the first customer call, the Series A, and the category he predicted on tape that got announced the day the episode went out. There are four things to try along the way: a quiz on the episode, a scorecard for whether security is in your room, a calculator for what finding a design flaw late costs you, and a timeline you can filter.

Three reviewers for three hundred engineers

Michael’s point is not that OwnBackup was careless. It is the opposite. The company’s own founder ran product security and “deeply cared about products being secure from the get-go.” They had Snyk in the pipeline. They had, in his words, “a ton of tools and companies that tried to solve this friction by automating a lot of security work.” And still the thing that went wrong went wrong at the one stage where no tool looked, because the input to that stage is a plan written in English, and the only way to review a plan in 2023 was for one of three people to read it.

A grid of 300 small squares, three of them filled, with the labels 3 people reviewing designs and 300 technical professionals. Below, three bars for the share of planned work that gets a security review: 5 to 10 percent with manual review as Foundation Capital described it in October 2024, 10 to 15 percent as Prime's December 2025 release put it, and near 100 percent with autonomous design reviews, by Prime's own claim.
The ratio, and what it does to coverage. The 3 and the 300 are Michael's numbers for Own. The coverage figures are what his investors and his company have claimed since, which is to say they are the sales pitch, and they are also consistent with every product security team I have met.

The public numbers line up with the tape. When Foundation Capital led Prime’s seed in October 2024, its partner Sid Trivedi wrote that Prime had ingested hundreds of thousands of tickets across a dozen customers and could respond automatically to the vast majority, “leaving about 5-10% open for human review,” and that 30 to 50 percent of security engineering tasks are repetitive enough to automate (Foundation Capital). By the Series A in December 2025, the company was putting the other side of that number in its release: manual reviews typically cover 10 to 15 percent of planned work (Prime Security). Michael’s own post the same day said security teams manually review “only about 5-10 percent of development work” and that as development velocity grew, “the bottleneck for security? It got 5× worse” (Prime Security). Take the vendor’s claims with the usual salt. The ratio underneath them is not a claim. Count the people at your company who could read a design document and spot a trust-boundary problem, then count the people writing design documents.

The company that produced the ratio was itself bought while Michael was building the fix. On September 5, 2024, Salesforce agreed to buy Own, which had launched in 2015 as OwnBackup, for $1.9 billion in cash, with about 7,000 customers and a prior valuation of $3.35 billion (TechCrunch). Michael had been there from the start of COVID until October 2023 as head of corporate development and chief of staff to the chief technology officer, after four years at Deloitte and a co-founded restaurant-software startup that Tripleseat acquired (LinkedIn). Which is how a product strategy person ended up with a security company: “as part of that was also helping the CTO to manage our entire technical team, which was 300, and had to collaborate a lot with our product security team. That’s what sparked the idea of building Prime.”

The stage every startup skips

Sasha’s follow-up was the right one: is the initial stage of the secure development lifecycle the addressable pain point? Michael’s answer is the clearest description of design-stage security I have heard.

“Yes. So we at Prime, we focus on the design stage of the software, where the critical decisions of how to design and architect the software are being made. But security is not always in the room, because the existing processes in this are just manual. It’s a consultative process where product security or security architecture practitioners have to give guidance to the engineers, what to do. And because of terrible ratios of security to engineers, and the fact that the process is manual, it creates a lot of friction. The outcome of this friction is delayed development, delayed deployment of features, and in some cases lost revenue, because you just miss deadlines.”

Michael Nov at 4:31

Four boxes in a row: design, filled, where the critical decisions are made, then build, test, and deploy, where security hears about the feature with the words hey, you guys are building this. Below, a dashed box reading delayed development, delayed deployment, and in some cases lost revenue, and a filled box reading the fix Michael is selling: review at the first box, automatically.
Where the decision is made and where security finds out. The friction Michael describes is the distance between the first box and the last.

Notice what the cost is in his telling. Not breaches. Deadlines. The security team that finds out at deployment has two options, block the release or wave it through, and both are expensive: one in revenue, the other in the thing the revenue was supposed to be protected by. This is the dynamic that Pranava Adduri and George Gerchow described on episode 95 and that I wrote up in Stop saying no: a security function that only ever appears at the end of a process can only ever say no, because by then “how” is too late. The design stage is where “how” is still cheap. Michael’s version of the figure everyone cites is that fixing a vulnerability in production “costs 100x more than addressing it during design” (AlleyWatch). The 100x number has a long and disputed lineage and I would not put it in a board deck, but the direction is not in dispute, and anyone who has rewritten an authorization model after launch knows the order of magnitude is about right.

What Prime actually does, at the level a founder needs to understand it: it reads the artifacts engineers already produce, the Jira tickets and Confluence pages and design docs, identifies the security risks in what is being planned, and hands back customized security requirements before the work starts (Calcalist). The seed-stage product integrated with Jira and Confluence. By the Series A it was an “Agentic Security Architect” that embeds in engineering workflows and claims near-full coverage of planned work against the 10 to 15 percent manual baseline, risks resolved up to 30 times faster, and half the time and cost of reviews (SiliconANGLE). By August 2026 it was five things: autonomous design reviews, AI security code reviews, coding guardrails for agents, supply chain security and continuous white-box pentesting, with design reviews “in as little as 15 minutes,” security team capacity up four to five times, and false positives down by up to 90 percent, all by the company’s own numbers (Prime Security). The arc from the first product to the fifth is the arc of the whole industry in those two years: start at the design doc, then follow the design into the code the agents write from it.

For a startup with no product security team at all, which is most of the companies we work with, the lesson is not “buy Prime.” It is that the review nobody does is the one that matters, and that the review can be done by whoever is in the room if the room has a rule. Our product security work starts there: a written trigger list for what needs a second pair of eyes before it is built, a threat model for the three flows that would hurt most, and a reviewer who answers in days. The scorecard further down is that rule, as eight questions.

The designs nobody is looking at

Sasha asked what the biggest challenge for security practitioners will be in five years, and Michael said the obvious thing and then made it specific.

“The obvious is AI. It’s moving at such crazy speed. Cursor went to zero to three hundred million dollars in ARR in, what, two years? And it’s producing a bunch of code from prompts, which prompts are designed. So there’s way more code being produced that somehow needs to be secured. Well, let’s assume you can secure it with the code scanning tools. But there’s a bunch of new designs being produced that nobody’s ever looking at.”

Michael Nov at 15:57

Five horizontal bars for Cursor's reported annualized revenue: $100 million in January 2025, $300 million in April 2025, which is the figure Michael cites, $500 million in June 2025, $1 billion in November 2025, and $3 billion in 2026.
The curve Michael was pointing at. His "three hundred million" was already out of date on the day we recorded.

The number was conservative. Cursor had reported $100 million in annualized revenue in January 2025, $300 million by April, the figure Michael cites, and $500 million by June, five weeks before we recorded. It raised $2.3 billion at $29.3 billion that November and was reported at $1 billion annualized after that round and $3 billion in 2026, with talks about a valuation of $50 to $60 billion (Wikipedia, with its citations, Techleap). Michael’s framing survives any version of the curve: every one of those dollars is code written from a prompt, and the prompt is a design decision that no reviewer saw.

Twelve days before we recorded, the internet got its clearest demonstration of what a design decision that nobody reviewed looks like. Jason Lemkin of SaaStr, nine days into building an app with Replit’s agent, said the agent had deleted his production database during a code freeze, after he had told it in all capitals, eleven times, not to make changes without permission, and had then told him a rollback was impossible, which turned out to be wrong (The Register).

Twelve days before this episode was recorded. The agent had the ability to drop a production database because nobody had designed a world in which it could not. View on X.

That is a design-stage failure, not a code-stage one. No scanner flags “the agent’s credential can reach production.” A reviewer reading the plan would have. I wrote about the permission ladder that prevents it in Are you actually going to give the agent write access?, and about the security checklist for vibe coding. Michael’s phrase for the whole category was the one he gave Sasha when she pushed him to name a single pain point: “keeping up with the new, the ever-growing and net new attack surface, driven by AI innovation.” And when I asked whether he was saying it would be impossible to secure, he drew the line precisely: “I’m not suggesting it’s going to be impossible. I’m suggesting that’s going to be the biggest challenge, because the rate of change and the adoption of the change is nothing we have seen before. We’ll have to adjust. We’ll have to not adopt but embrace what AI brings to the table.”

He has kept writing on this. In May 2026 he argued that developers are already shipping code they did not write and could not fully explain, that the DevSecOps habit of scanning code and assigning the fix to its author breaks when the author is an agent, and that “The audit trail has to move from people to systems” (Prime Security). Ten days later he made the sharper point: most of a company’s security knowledge lives in people’s heads, in the senior engineer who remembers why a payments decision was made in 2019, and “Zero-touch development removes those people before most security programs have captured what they know” (Prime Security). That is the best argument I have read for writing your threat model down this quarter, and it is why question five of the scorecard is about whether your agents’ guardrails exist anywhere but in a reviewer’s memory. We covered the other half of that in The human in the loop is going away.

Fourteen months after this episode, October 2026: Michael on Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec, "Where security lives when AI writes the code." Fifty-two minutes. Watch on YouTube.

Four co-founders, a phone, and October 8

I asked how he met his co-founders. The answer is an acquisition done entirely by phone.

“So it all started when I was at Own, and my CEO back in the day asked me to acquire the best technical team I could find in Israel. And I got introduced by [Wild] Ventures to these two guys that were running an offensive cybersecurity company. And they wanted to sell the company, get out of the business. And we did a relatively complex transaction where they sold portions of it to one company, and then we bought the people. It was deep into COVID, and we had to build, do a transaction that is buying the people, this human capital, over the phone.”

Michael Nov at 7:09

Those two are Matan Markovics and Danny Hanga, now Prime’s vice president of research and development and chief technology officer, described by Foundation Capital as top engineers from an Israeli intelligence unit whose company was sold to Own (Foundation Capital, Prime Security). The fourth, Dimitry Shvartsman, led security architecture, threat modeling and strategy at PayPal, running a 50-person security engineering and architecture team, and is now chief product officer. Matan knew him from an earlier consulting job and told Michael the two of them, same age, same background, both immigrants from the Soviet Union living in New York, should be friends. When the design-stage idea came up, Dimitry’s reaction on the tape was the customer’s reaction: “I’m literally the practitioner doing this. It’s a huge problem for me at the enterprise. And it was a huge problem for us at the middle market.” Michael’s summary is the line I would put in any pitch about co-founders: “we’re all friends, we’re all passionate about the same problem, and we all bring completely different skill sets to the table.”

Then I asked about the hardest day, and he gave a date.

Listen · the hardest day, from 10:41
About 51 seconds: October 1, October 6, October 7, and the question of whether to go back. The clip stops on its own. Read the full transcript.

“It was October 8th, 2023. I’ll explain. Okay. We quit our jobs on October 1st, 2023. October 7 is a day that we’ll all remember for the rest of our lives, as we all are Israelis. But we left on October 1st and started our fundraising calls on October 6th. And then October 7th happened. Everybody was affected. But for us, the impact on us, outside of the personal lives, on a professional front, it was like, what do we do? We had this fantastic fundraising plan. We know the funds that we need to talk to. We’re deep in the Israeli ecosystem. It all goes away.”

Michael Nov at 10:41

I am not going to editorialize about October 7. What I will say is that the answer he gave when I asked what the rest of the day looked like is the most practical description of leadership under a shock I have heard on this show. First, “make sure that on a personal front, everybody’s okay,” including a co-founder whose wife was in the army and who needed to be able to manage the kids. Second, decide: “we quickly agree that, A, we’re proceeding. There’s no going back.” Third, the plan: the story is the same story, the people to tell it to are different people, so go back to the drawing board, figure out who you know, build a plan and execute it. Two of the four co-founders went to reserve duty during the fundraise. The round closed anyway, a $6 million seed led by Foundation Capital with Flybridge and a list of angels that includes Own’s chief executive Sam Gutmann, its chief technology officer Adrian Kunzle, and the former PayPal chief information security officer Assaf Keren, announced on October 9, 2024 (Calcalist). His own line about it:

“You need to be resilient. And that’s what defines a great leader, is that resiliency, ability to acknowledge the difficulties that happen all the time and focus on continuing to build the company.”

Michael Nov at 11:35

And the line I think about more: “if your home front is not okay, you cannot commit yourself to building a company, and it will never work well.” We have had a lot of founders on this show. Very few of them said that part out loud.

Eyes and ears: from the first call to the Series A

Sasha asked about the proudest day, and it was a phone call from a regulated healthcare company.

“And we identified this risk at a design stage, kind of a [decision] based on engineering plans, that the security team were not aware. And this is a regulated healthcare company. They knew if it would go to development and developers would start working, they would have no idea it’s happening, and it will create a regulatory issue. Getting that call and saying, look, guys, you identified something that is critical. The entire engineering team is working on it, but nobody notified me, because it’s kind of urgent and they need to deploy it. You gave me eyes and ears that I didn’t have before. Sign me up.”

Michael Nov at 9:25

Read that as a founder and the lesson is not about security at all. The customer did not buy a scanner’s output. They bought the experience of finding out about something before it was too late to change it, which is the only thing a security team at a regulated company actually wants. That is also, for what it is worth, the entire pitch for a fractional security team that sits in your planning meetings rather than one that audits your code after the fact.

A timeline of seven entries. October 1, 2023: four co-founders quit their jobs, fundraising calls start October 6, and October 7 is the next day. September 5, 2024: Salesforce agrees to buy Own for $1.9 billion. October 9, 2024: a $6 million seed led by Foundation Capital. July 29, 2025: episode 76 is recorded. August 7, 2025: Black Hat USA Startup Spotlight winner. December 9, 2025: a $20 million Series A led by Scale Venture Partners. August 3, 2026: a new operating model for product security with five agents.
Prime Security from the day the founders quit to the August 2026 relaunch. Everything below the episode line happened after we stopped recording.

Nine days after the recording, on August 7, 2025, Dimitry pitched Prime in the Black Hat USA Startup Spotlight against FireTail, Keep Aware and Twine Security, in a Shark Tank-style final hosted by Caleb Sima, and won both the judges’ vote and the audience vote. His pitch line was the episode in one sentence: “We can’t keep saying we want to be a business enabler and hinder progress” (Dark Reading). Black Hat put the crowd that week at about 20,000 attendees (Black Hat, via Business Wire).

The security journalist Ryan Naraine, from the floor at Black Hat, nine days after this episode was recorded and eighteen before it aired. View on X.

On December 9, 2025, Prime announced a $20 million Series A led by Scale Venture Partners, with Foundation Capital, Flybridge and Ofir Ehrlich of Eon, and named PayPal, Qualtrics, Bumble, ThoughtSpot and Redis as customers, with development teams of more than 200 engineers each (Prime Security). PayPal is the detail that matters: it is where Dimitry ran the manual version of this process, and its chief information security officer Shaun Khalfan said the autonomous design reviews give PayPal “continuous and adaptive visibility” across its engineering ecosystem (SiliconANGLE). Scale’s partner Ariel Tseitlin called the design phase “a technically challenging manual process,” which is Michael’s “the existing processes in this are just manual” from an investor’s chair.

Four months and ten days after the tape. View on X.

By the spring the category he had been “screaming about” had a name other people used. His post after RSA 2026 is worth reading for the tone alone.

Landed in NYC at 1 am last night after RSA. Nothing like a cross-country flight and mild dehydration to really help you reflect.

A few observations, now that I have had a few coffees:

- We hosted a lot of events. Dinners, lunches, happy hours. At some point I forgot what I was attending vs hosting (true late night story)
- Design-stage security is suddenly… a thing. A lot of prospects & mature vendors are talking about it. Love to see it. Truly. Very original. Definitely haven't been screaming about this for a while....
- Agentic AI was THE topic. Every booth, every conversation. We have officially entered the phase where everything is an agent, including things that are very clearly not agents

RSA is still the best place to see where the market is going.

Michael Nov · April 2026
"Definitely haven't been screaming about this for a while." Eight months after telling us the design stage was the gap, the incumbents agreed. View on LinkedIn.

Then, on August 3, 2026, the relaunch: a “new operating model for product security” that covers before the code, in the code and after it, with the five capabilities listed above and MX added to the customer list (Prime Security). The company Michael described to us as “not a cloud-native, we’re an AI-native company,” with AI “embedded in every single thing we do and every single function in the company,” had spent the year after the tape following the design decision downstream into the code agents generate from it. Which is exactly what he told Sasha the five-year problem would be.

March 2026: an hour with Justin Somaini, the former chief security officer of SAP and Yahoo, on integrating security into engineering and the cultural shifts it needs. Watch on YouTube.

The pain point he asked someone else to solve

Sasha’s last big question is my favorite on the show: if you could ask someone else to build a solution to a pain point you are not working on, what would it be? Michael’s answer was timely enough that he predicted its own expiry.

Listen · the MCP prediction, from 20:27
About 44 seconds: MCP management at the enterprise, what is installed where, and the wild, wild west. The clip stops on its own. Read the full transcript.

“I have an answer that is very, very timely, and maybe when this show airs, there will be a company that are announced. But one of the largest pain points that I see now is MCP management, specifically at the enterprise. Like, MCPs all of a sudden became everywhere, but there’s no tooling for the enterprise to actually manage MCPs. What is installed where? What can be installed, what has to be installed, what cannot be installed. And within the MCP, there is data. So, what is the RBAC on that data, even?”

Michael Nov at 20:27

He was speaking as a vendor with an MCP server of his own, one that delivers design risks straight into developers’ editors, and that is “very difficult to deploy, because you can’t expect security teams to go install it one developer at a time.” Then: “I’m pretty sure that by the time this airs, somebody will announce, like, hey, we have a solution.” The episode aired on August 26, 2025. That morning Cloudflare opened the beta of MCP Server Portals, which put multiple MCP servers behind one endpoint with a single sign-on, let administrators curate which tools each portal exposes, and logged every individual tool request an agent made (Cloudflare). The same day. I checked the dates twice.

A timeline of six entries. November 25, 2024: Anthropic introduces the Model Context Protocol. July 29, 2025, on tape: there's no tooling for the enterprise to actually manage MCPs. August 26, 2025: the episode airs and the same day Cloudflare opens the beta of MCP Server Portals. December 2, 2025: Runlayer leaves stealth with $11 million. July 28, 2026: Runlayer, now $42 million in, sues Rippling over an alleged clone. August 20, 2026: both suits are dropped and Rippling ships its own MCP gateway.
From "that does not exist" to a category with a lawsuit in thirteen months.

It became a category within months. Runlayer came out of stealth on December 2, 2025 with $11 million from Keith Rabois at Khosla Ventures and Felicis, an MCP gateway with identity-based permissions that plug into Okta and Entra, real-time threat detection, and the creator of the protocol itself, David Soria Parra, as an angel, with Gusto, dbt Labs, Instacart and Opendoor as customers (The AI Insider). By July 2026 Runlayer had raised $42 million in total and was suing Rippling, which had trialed its gateway for nearly a year and, according to the complaint, had an insider text the chief executive that Rippling was building “almost a 1 to 1 copy” (TechCrunch). Both sides dropped their suits on August 19 with no money changing hands, and Rippling shipped its gateway anyway (TechCrunch). The protocol Michael was describing had existed for eight months when we spoke (Anthropic). A year later, enterprises were litigating over who gets to manage it.

What this means for a startup is smaller and more useful than the market story. Michael’s list of questions is the inventory you need before anyone asks you for it: what is installed where, what can be, what must be, what cannot be, and what the data inside each server can reach. We wrote up the part he did not have time for, which is what happens after the server you approved changes, in Your MCP server passed review, then it changed, and we run the inventory as a secure MCP program for companies that have more servers than they thought.

The founder notes

He owned a bar at eighteen. In Israel, “which is just a funny tidbit,” and the entrepreneurial streak came from his father and grandfather. He moved to the States in 2012 to go to Duke after six years as a captain in the Israel Defense Forces, because “the best path for me back in the day was going through business school,” and because of American television.

His superpower is connection, and he earned it the hard way. “I grew up in a very poor neighborhood in Jerusalem,” then the army, “making connections with anything from generals to line soldiers,” then New York. His phrase for it is “a double immigrant,” and he is clear that the skill was not optional: “You build the superpower not because you want to, but because you have to.”

The mentors are his last three bosses. The chief technology officer of JPMorgan who ran Own’s technology, the vice chairman of Deloitte Consulting, and a two-star general. The lesson: “work for the right people, it will pay out. You don’t know how, you don’t know when, but it will definitely, it will pay off eventually.” Own’s chief technology officer, Adrian Kunzle, formerly JPMorgan’s, went on to invest in Prime’s seed (Calcalist).

The next pain point is hiring. Asked for the biggest one at the top of the list, he did not name a competitor or a feature. “Don’t just hire anybody, hire the right people. Who do you want to be there with you in the trenches?” I have written about the version of that question startups face with their first security hire.

Will AI replace humans? “Depends for what roles.” For some lower-level white-collar work and for complex tasks, “at some point, yes,” but he would not guess when, and he was careful about it: “I won’t be presumptuous to say, okay, it’s going to happen next month.”

Advice to his younger self. “Take more risks, and take them sooner.” Immigrants, he says, are a little risk-averse because there is no backstop, and a double immigrant doubly so. The compounding argument is the one I would give to any founder waiting for the right moment: “the learning curve is just so steep. And the sooner you have it, the more it compounds.”

There is never a good time. One co-founder has three kids, two have two, both second children born after they started working on Prime, and the fourth has one. Michael’s own excuse would have been a one-year-old, a second child on the way, and a senior executive job at a very successful late-stage startup. We had some fun with that. “Messing up something perfectly good,” I said. “Fixing a problem that doesn’t exist,” he said. Then I offered the line I give everyone who tells me they are not normal: “normal people are people we just don’t know very well. That includes ourselves.” His wife, apparently, agrees. She sounds like a keeper. He said she is.

Did you catch it? A six-question quiz

Interactive · six questions

Did you catch it?

Six questions on what Michael actually said, with the timestamp for each answer. The answers are under each question for anyone reading without JavaScript.

  1. How many people reviewed designs for Own's 300 technical staff, by Michael's count?

    1. Thirty, one per ten engineers
    2. Three: the founder and two more
    3. Nobody, there was no product security team

    b. "But he had a team of him and two more. And there was 300 technical professionals." Transcript, 2:52.

  2. What does Michael say the outcome of the friction between security and engineering actually is?

    1. Breaches
    2. Burned-out security engineers
    3. Delayed development, delayed deployment, and sometimes lost revenue

    c. "The outcome of this friction is delayed development, delayed deployment of features, and in some cases lost revenue, because you just miss deadlines." Transcript, 4:31.

  3. Which date did Michael name as his most challenging day?

    1. October 8, 2023, the day after the war began, two days into fundraising
    2. The day the seed round nearly fell through
    3. The day a customer churned

    a. "It was October 8th, 2023." The co-founders had quit on October 1 and started fundraising calls on October 6. Transcript, 10:41.

  4. Which company's growth did Michael cite to describe how fast AI-generated code is arriving?

    1. OpenAI
    2. Cursor, "zero to three hundred million dollars in ARR"
    3. GitHub Copilot

    b. "Cursor went to zero to three hundred million dollars in ARR in, what, two years?" It was at $500 million by the time we recorded. Transcript, 15:57.

  5. What pain point did Michael ask someone else to solve?

    1. Secrets sprawl in CI pipelines
    2. Deepfake-proof identity
    3. Managing MCP servers in an enterprise: what is installed where, and who opted in

    c. "One of the largest pain points that I see now is MCP management, specifically at the enterprise." Cloudflare announced MCP Server Portals the day the episode aired. Transcript, 20:27.

  6. What was his advice to his younger self?

    1. Take more risks, and take them sooner
    2. Learn to code before business school
    3. Stay at the big company until the exit

    a. "Take more risks, and take them sooner. As an immigrant, you're a little bit risk-averse." Transcript, 22:23.

Is security in the room?

Prime’s customers have 200-engineer teams. Yours has six, or forty, and no product security function at all. The ratio problem is the same, it is just that the reviewer and the engineer are sometimes the same person. This scorecard asks eight questions about your own design process, each tied to a point on the tape, and tells you which stage an auditor, a buyer or an attacker would find undefended first.

Scorecard · eight questions

Is security in the room?

Answer for how the last quarter actually went, not the process document. Weighted toward the decisions that are expensive to reverse.

  1. Before a feature that touches customer data, money or authentication gets built, is there a written plan (a ticket, a doc, a spec) that someone could review?

    • No, we build from a conversation or a prompt
    • Sometimes, for the big ones
    • Always, and it names the data and the trust boundaries

    "The SDLC starts from designing and planning what you're going to build." A plan nobody wrote is a plan nobody can review, and the agent that builds from the prompt is designing as it goes.

  2. Does anyone with security context read that plan before code exists?

    • Nobody. Security hears about it at deploy, if at all
    • For the big ones, when there is time
    • Every plan that matches a trigger, within days

    "Security is not always in the room, because the existing processes in this are just manual." The fix at a startup is a rule, not a hire: which plans get a second reader, and how fast.

  3. What share of last quarter's planned work got any security look before it shipped?

    • Under 10 percent, or we have no idea
    • Somewhere between 10 and 50 percent
    • Most of it, and we know the number

    Prime's investors put the manual baseline at 5 to 15 percent. If you do not know your number, it is in the first band.

  4. Is there a written trigger list for "this needs a security review": new sign-in path, new personal data, payment flow, new third-party or MCP server, new agent permission?

    • No
    • In one person's head
    • Written down, in the ticket template

    Michael's first customer bought "eyes and ears." A trigger list is the cheapest pair you can buy. Product security starts by writing it with you.

  5. Do your coding agents have written security guardrails (rules files, a threat model in the repository, forbidden patterns) rather than a reviewer's memory?

    • No, the agent gets the prompt and its defaults
    • Some rules, not versioned
    • Yes, versioned, with the architecture decisions recorded next to them

    "Zero-touch development removes those people before most security programs have captured what they know." The vibe coding checklist has the rules file.

  6. When a design issue is found late, do you know what it cost in rework hours and slipped dates?

    • No, it is absorbed into the sprint
    • Roughly, after the fact
    • Yes, tracked, and it changes what gets reviewed next

    "Delayed development, delayed deployment of features, and in some cases lost revenue." The calculator below puts a number on it.

  7. Can you list every MCP server and agent integration your engineers have installed, and who approved each one?

    • No idea
    • A partial list, nobody owns it
    • An inventory with owners and opt-in records

    "What is installed where? What can be installed, what has to be installed, what cannot be installed." And what changed after you approved it.

  8. When security does get into the room, what does the engineer hear?

    • No
    • It depends who is in the room
    • Options with the trade-offs, written down

    Michael's definition of success is a security team that is not the Department of No. Stop saying no is our version.

Security finds out at deploy

Decisions about data, money and sign-in are being made in prompts and conversations, and the first security look is the last minute. Fix the top two questions first: a written plan for anything that touches sensitive data, and one named reader for it with a deadline. Then write the trigger list so the reader is not a bottleneck.

In the room sometimes

The big features get a look. The ones that bite are the medium ones, the agent integration someone added on a Friday, the sign-in change that seemed small. A trigger list and versioned guardrails for your agents get you most of the rest.

In the room from the first box

Plans exist, they get read, the triggers are written, the agents have rules and the integrations have owners. What is left is measuring it, which is what an enterprise buyer will ask about next, and what Prime sells to companies thirty times your size.

The cost of finding it late

Michael’s cost is deadlines, not breaches. Put your own numbers in and see what the designs nobody reviewed are costing you in rework and slipped weeks. Every default below is an assumption, chosen to be easy to argue with.

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The cost of finding it late

Plans that add or change a data flow, how many get a security look before code, and what the ones that did not cost when the problem surfaces at review, at deploy, or from a customer. Rough by design. Change the numbers to yours.

–plans a year nobody reviewed
–design issues found late, a year
–engineering hours of rework
–what the rework costs
–calendar days of slipped releases

At these numbers, a good share of your plans go to engineering without a security look, and the ones that come back as design issues are the bill for the review that did not happen.

The 10 percent default for reviewed plans sits inside the 5 to 15 percent that Prime and its investors cite for manual review. The 15 percent issue rate, the 40 hours and the five days are placeholders, not research. Not counted: the issues a customer finds, which cost more than any of these, and the plans that never get written down at all.

Three years on one line

Everything on this page sits on one timeline, from the founders quitting their jobs to the week this page was written. Filter it by thread.

Timeline · 2012 to 2026

Three years on one line

Filter by thread. Dates are from the public record except where marked as Michael's own account on the tape.

  1. Duke

    After six years as a captain in the Israel Defense Forces, Michael moves to the United States for business school. "It was always kind of a dream of mine growing up, watching American television."

  2. OwnBackup launches

    Ariel Berkman, Daniel Gershuni and Eran Cohen found the SaaS backup company that will become Own (TechCrunch).

  3. Own, as COVID starts

    Michael joins OwnBackup, leads product strategy, becomes chief of staff to the chief technology officer, and acquires an offensive security team by phone: Matan and Danny.

  4. Four co-founders quit

    Fundraising calls start October 6. October 7 is the next day. On October 8 they decide: "A, we're proceeding. There's no going back."

  5. Prime Security

    The company's start date on Michael's profile (LinkedIn).

  6. Salesforce buys Own for $1.9 billion

    Michael's former employer, about 7,000 customers, last valued at $3.35 billion (TechCrunch).

  7. $6 million seed

    Led by Foundation Capital with Flybridge and angels from Own, PayPal, BigID and CyberX (Calcalist). Foundation's thesis: 30 to 50 percent of security engineering tasks are automatable (Foundation Capital).

  8. The Model Context Protocol

    Anthropic introduces the open standard that connects assistants to tools and data (Anthropic).

  9. Cursor at $100 million

    Annualized revenue reported at $100 million, then $300 million by April, the figure Michael cites on tape (Techleap).

  10. The Matias Experiment

    Twenty minutes with Michael on security at the design stage, five months before this episode (YouTube).

  11. "There will be hell to pay"

    Jason Lemkin's Replit agent deletes his production database during a code freeze (The Register).

  12. Episode 76 is recorded

    This conversation, with Sasha co-hosting. "Close to a year and a half into building Prime Security."

  13. Black Hat USA Startup Spotlight

    Prime wins both the judges' and the audience vote against FireTail, Keep Aware and Twine (Dark Reading).

  14. The episode airs. Cloudflare ships MCP Server Portals.

    "By the time this airs, somebody will announce." The same day (Cloudflare).

  15. Cursor raises $2.3 billion

    At a $29.3 billion valuation, with annualized revenue reported past $1 billion (Wikipedia).

  16. Runlayer leaves stealth

    $11 million for an MCP gateway, with the protocol's creator as an angel (The AI Insider).

  17. $20 million Series A

    Led by Scale Venture Partners. PayPal, Qualtrics, Bumble, ThoughtSpot and Redis named as customers (Prime Security).

  18. Trust Issues

    An hour with Justin Somaini on automation and the cultural shift security needs (YouTube).

  19. "Design-stage security is suddenly… a thing"

    Michael's post after RSA 2026 (LinkedIn).

  20. Zero-touch development

    Two posts: developers shipping code they did not write, and the security knowledge that leaves with the people who hold it (Prime Security).

  21. Runlayer sues Rippling

    $42 million raised, a year-long trial, an alleged clone. Both suits dropped on August 19, no money changing hands (TechCrunch).

  22. A new operating model for product security

    Five agents, from design reviews to continuous white-box pentesting, with reviews "in as little as 15 minutes" by Prime's claim (Prime Security).

  23. Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec

    "Where security lives when AI writes the code," fifty-two minutes (YouTube).

What to do this week

Four things, in the order Michael’s first customer would have wanted them.

  1. Write the trigger list. One page: the kinds of change that need a second reader before they are built. New sign-in or session logic, new personal or payment data, a new third party, a new MCP server or agent permission, anything that crosses a trust boundary. Put it in the ticket template so the engineer self-identifies the trigger instead of waiting for someone to notice.
  2. Name the reader and the deadline. At a company with no security team, the reader is the most security-literate engineer or the fractional person you bring in, and the deadline is two working days. “Security is not always in the room” is a scheduling problem before it is a staffing problem.
  3. Move the guardrails out of people’s heads. A threat model for your three riskiest flows, in the repository. A rules file for your coding agents that says what they may not do, including which credentials they may not hold. The Replit incident is a design decision that was never written down.
  4. Inventory the MCP servers. What is installed where, who approved it, what data it can reach. Then check whether any of them changed since approval. Michael asked someone else to build this in July 2025. Until you buy it, it is a spreadsheet.

Key takeaways

  1. Three reviewers for three hundred engineers

    At OwnBackup the founder ran product security with a team of two, for 300 technical staff, and features reached the last minute before deployment before anyone asked whether they were secure. "And in many cases the answer to this is no." The company had scanners in the pipeline. The gap was the stage no tool reads: the plan.

  2. The design stage is where the decisions are made, and security is not in the room

    Design review is a consultative, manual process run by product security or security architecture people at terrible ratios, so it creates friction, and the outcome of the friction is "delayed development, delayed deployment of features, and in some cases lost revenue, because you just miss deadlines." Michael's cost is deadlines, not breaches.

  3. The designs nobody is looking at

    Asked about the biggest challenge in five years, Michael points at Cursor's revenue curve and the prompts behind it: code can be scanned, but "there's a bunch of new designs being produced that nobody's ever looking at." His one-line version: keeping up with the net new attack surface driven by AI innovation. Not impossible, but the biggest challenge, because the rate of change is nothing the industry has seen.

  4. October 8, 2023

    Four co-founders quit on October 1, started fundraising calls on October 6, and on October 8 had to decide whether to proceed. They checked on everyone's home front first, then agreed: "A, we're proceeding. There's no going back." Same story, different people to tell it to, new plan, execute. "You need to be resilient. And that's what defines a great leader."

  5. Eyes and ears

    The proudest day was a call from a regulated healthcare customer whose security team learned from Prime, at the design stage, about an urgent engineering plan nobody had told them about: "You gave me eyes and ears that I didn't have before. Sign me up." Nine days after the recording Prime won the Black Hat USA Startup Spotlight, and in December 2025 it raised a $20 million Series A led by Scale Venture Partners with PayPal as a customer.

  6. The pain point he asked someone else to solve

    Enterprise MCP management: what is installed where, what can and cannot be installed, what the data inside a server can reach, who opted in. "That does not exist," he said, and predicted someone would announce it by air date. Cloudflare opened the beta of MCP Server Portals the day the episode aired, and Runlayer raised $11 million for an MCP gateway that December.

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“You gave me eyes and ears that I didn't have before. Sign me up.”

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“You need to be resilient. And that's what defines a great leader, is that resiliency, ability to acknowledge the difficulties that happen all the time and focus on continuing to build the company.”

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“But there's a bunch of new designs being produced that nobody's ever looking at.”

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“We're not a cloud-native, we're an AI-native company.”

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“MCPs all of a sudden became everywhere, but there's no tooling for the enterprise to actually manage MCPs. What is installed where?”

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“Take more risks, and take them sooner.”

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About the guest

Michael Nov, Co-founder and Chief Executive Officer, Prime Security

Michael Nov is the co-founder and chief executive of Prime Security, the New York and Tel Aviv company whose AI agents review software designs for security risk before code is written and, since 2026, follow those designs into the code and the cloud. Before founding Prime in 2024 with Dimitry Shvartsman, Matan Markovics and Danny Hanga, he was head of corporate development and chief of staff to the chief technology officer at OwnBackup, later Own, which Salesforce agreed to acquire for $1.9 billion in September 2024. He co-founded the restaurant software startup Merri, acquired by Tripleseat, spent five years at Deloitte as a senior consultant and engagement manager, and served six years as a captain in the Israel Defense Forces before moving to the United States in 2012 to attend Duke. Prime won the Black Hat USA 2025 Startup Spotlight and raised a $6 million seed led by Foundation Capital in October 2024 and a $20 million Series A led by Scale Venture Partners in December 2025.

About the host

Jon McLachlan and Sasha Sinkevich are co-founders of YSecurity, the on-demand cybersecurity team for startups, and of Cyberbase.ai. The Security Podcast of Silicon Valley is hosted by Jon McLachlan and Sasha Sinkevich. Jon McLachlan on LinkedIn ↗Sasha Sinkevich on LinkedIn ↗

Context and sources

  • Calcalist, October 9, 2024: Prime Security raises a $6 million seed led by Foundation Capital with Flybridge and angels including Own's Sam Gutmann and Adrian Kunzle and former PayPal CISO Assaf Keren, integrating with Jira and Confluence. Source ↗
  • Foundation Capital, October 9, 2024: Sid Trivedi on the investment, with Prime responding automatically to the vast majority of tickets and leaving about 5 to 10% for human review, and the founders' backgrounds at Own and PayPal. Source ↗
  • TechCrunch, September 5, 2024: Salesforce agrees to buy Own, launched in 2015 as OwnBackup, for $1.9 billion in cash, with about 7,000 customers and a prior $3.35 billion valuation. Source ↗
  • Dark Reading, August 7, 2025: Prime Security wins the Black Hat USA Startup Spotlight by both the judges' and the audience vote, against FireTail, KeepAware and Twine Security. Source ↗
  • Black Hat via Business Wire, August 2025: about 20,000 attendees at Black Hat USA 2025 and Prime Security named Startup Spotlight winner. Source ↗
  • Prime Security, December 9, 2025: a $20 million Series A led by Scale Venture Partners with Foundation Capital, Flybridge and Ofir Ehrlich of Eon, naming PayPal, Qualtrics, Bumble, ThoughtSpot and Redis as customers, with manual reviews covering 10 to 15% of planned work. Source ↗
  • SiliconANGLE, December 9, 2025: PayPal CISO Shaun Khalfan on continuous and adaptive visibility from autonomous design-stage reviews, and Scale's Ariel Tseitlin on the design phase as a technically challenging manual process. Source ↗
  • Michael Nov, December 9, 2025: security teams manually review only about 5 to 10 percent of development work, and the bottleneck got five times worse as velocity grew. Source ↗
  • AlleyWatch, December 2025: Michael Nov on fixing a vulnerability in production costing 100 times more than addressing it during design. Source ↗
  • Prime Security, August 3, 2026: a new operating model for product security with five agents, design reviews in as little as 15 minutes, 4 to 5 times the capacity and up to 90% fewer false positives, by the company's claims. Source ↗
  • Michael Nov, May 18, 2026: most developers will not understand security in five years, and the audit trail has to move from people to systems. Source ↗
  • Michael Nov, May 28, 2026: preparing security for zero-touch development, which removes the people who hold a company's security knowledge before it is captured. Source ↗
  • Michael Nov on LinkedIn, April 2026, after RSA: design-stage security is suddenly a thing, and everything is an agent. Source ↗
  • Cursor's reported annualized revenue: $100 million in January 2025, $500 million by June 2025, past $1 billion after the November 2025 Series D at $29.3 billion, and $3 billion in 2026, as collected on Wikipedia with citations. Source ↗
  • Techleap, May 2025: Cursor reached $300 million in annualized revenue by April 2025, the figure Michael cites on tape. Source ↗
  • The Register, July 21, 2025: Replit's agent deleted Jason Lemkin's production database during a code freeze, twelve days before this episode was recorded. Source ↗
  • Anthropic, November 25, 2024: the Model Context Protocol is introduced as an open standard for connecting assistants to tools and data. Source ↗
  • Cloudflare changelog, August 26, 2025: MCP Server Portals enter open beta, centralizing multiple MCP servers on one endpoint with curated tools and per-request logging, the day this episode aired. Source ↗
  • The AI Insider, December 2, 2025: Runlayer leaves stealth with $11 million from Keith Rabois at Khosla Ventures and Felicis for an MCP gateway with identity-based permissions. Source ↗
  • TechCrunch, July 28, 2026: Runlayer, with $42 million raised, sues Rippling over an alleged clone of its MCP gateway. On August 20, 2026 both suits are dropped, no money changes hands, and Rippling ships its own gateway. Source ↗
  • Michael Nov's LinkedIn profile: Prime Security from January 2024, OwnBackup 2020 to October 2023, Merri 2019 to 2020, Deloitte 2014 to 2019, IDF captain 2006 to 2012. Source ↗

Transcript

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Jon McLachlan

Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of The Security Podcast of Silicon Valley. I'm one of the hosts, Jon McLachlan. I'm joined today by our other host, Sasha Sinkevich. This is a YSecurity production, and today we have a spectacular guest: the founder and CEO of an awesome new security AI startup called Prime Security, Michael Nov. Welcome to the show, Michael.

Sasha Sinkevich

Welcome, Michael.

Michael Nov

Thank you, Jon. Thank you, Sasha. Pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.

Jon McLachlan

Michael, I believe this is your first time on the show, on the podcast.

Michael Nov

It is, it is. Been following you guys for a while. Jon, it was great connecting with you, not on the podcast, and it's an absolute pleasure to be here.

Jon McLachlan

No, thanks for joining. It's always a true honor and a great pleasure to connect with a fellow entrepreneur, especially one in security. There's a story behind that. There's always, like, something that sparked your passion, or maybe your journey down this entrepreneurial road. But for you, Michael, what was that?

Michael Nov

Good question. I think I've been an entrepreneur at heart since very, very early days. I kind of get this in the blood from my dad, who was an entrepreneur back in the day, and my grandpa, that was an entrepreneur. Started very early on with random adventures growing up. I won't even get into it, but I owned a bar when I was eighteen, in Israel, which is just a funny tidbit. But after moving to the States, I knew I kind of wanted to pursue an entrepreneurial journey and not be forever in large companies, in corporate America. I wanted to build something, because I take both a lot of pleasure and pride in building, and was waiting for the right opportunity, right people, right problem that I felt passionate about, and I thought that I can build the right team and I can find the right co-founders to solve it with. And here I am today, kind of close to a year and a half into building Prime Security.

Sasha Sinkevich

How did you tap into the security space?

Michael Nov

I got an opportunity, just as COVID was starting, to join a company called OwnBackup, which was a data protection security company at heart. Doing backup and recovery. And I truly was exposed to the depth and complexity of the problems in the space there as an operator, but from the vendor side, not just from security. And I got the pleasure of leading product strategy for the company for a decent amount of time. But we were always kind of starting [from] backup and recovery, which is security adjacent. There, I got exposed to the space and started building more and more products in the space. Helped Own, back in the day, expand to SaaS security posture management and other areas, and as part of that was also helping the CTO to manage our entire technical team, which was 300, and had to collaborate a lot with our product security team. That's what sparked the idea of building Prime.

Sasha Sinkevich

What is the biggest pain point that you see in the marketplace?

Michael Nov

So I focus on my small universe, which is not that small, but on the universe of product security. I'll come to this pain point from a business standpoint, and I'll kind of give you the deck story of this. While at my old company, I identified a gap where there was consistent friction between the security and engineering teams. But there had been a ton of tools and companies that tried to solve this friction by automating a lot of security work and allowing security to better collaborate. We had Snyk to help us identify the vulnerabilities and the scans in the pipeline. But there was one gap that was a root cause of a lot of the problems we kept having. And that was at the design stage of the software. At the end of the day, the SDLC starts from designing and planning what you're going to build. And that work was done at Own by three fantastic humans. The founder of OwnBackup, Ariel Berkman, he was the head of product security. So he deeply cared about products being secure from the get-go. But he had a team of him and two more. And there was 300 technical professionals. He couldn't get to review every single change, every single issue we had, every single thing we wanted to build. And we many times were getting to the last minute before deployment, where security would find out about, hey, you guys are building this? Well, hold on. Is it secure? And in many cases the answer to this is no.

Sasha Sinkevich

So we're talking about that initial stage of the SSDLC cycle. Is [that] the addressable pain point that you are solving today?

Michael Nov

Yes. So we at Prime, we focus on the design stage of the software, where the critical decisions of how to design and architect the software are being made. But security is not always in the room, because the existing processes in this are just manual. It's a consultative process where product security or security architecture practitioners have to give guidance to the engineers, what to do. And because of terrible ratios of security to engineers, and the fact that the process is manual, it creates a lot of friction. The outcome of this friction is delayed development, delayed deployment of features, and in some cases lost revenue, because you just miss deadlines. And that's something I dealt with, and I felt very passionate about solving this problem.

Jon McLachlan

What would you say your superpower is? And maybe was there something that happened that sort of brought that out of you?

Michael Nov

I think it's making genuine connections with people, and knowing how to do it with people from all walks of life. I grew up in a very poor neighborhood in Jerusalem, and learned how to make, as an immigrant, which taught me how to make connection with all different people. And then served six years in the army, making connections with anything from generals to line soldiers, and then moved to the States and learned how to make connections with folks that are Israeli, they're American, or Spanish, or Brazilian, or Lebanese. Made connections and became friends. And kind of learning how to do that, and building true relationships, true connections with people, I believe it's a super skill that I had to have.

Jon McLachlan

Yeah, that's so important, because everything that we do, if it doesn't go back to human beings, if we're not improving the lives of our fellow inhabitants of this planet, what are we doing? And I love that, like, being a security practitioner, that's your superpower.

Michael Nov

Yeah, it's been fun. You grow up this way, essentially. You build the superpower not because you want to, but because you have to, at some point, and you continue to work on it. Being a double immigrant works in my advantage, just because I had to learn how to build real relationships and real connections with people that are very different than I am.

Sasha Sinkevich

When did you move to the States?

Michael Nov

I moved to the States in 2012 to go to Duke. I knew that I kind of don't want to continue for a long career in the army. I was a captain in the army and kind of figured out that I want to go into the corporate world or entrepreneurship world. And the best path for me back in the day was going through business school. And I wanted to come to the States. It was always kind of a dream of mine growing up, watching American television and saying, eh, one day I'll get there.

Jon McLachlan

Speaking of people and connections, it sounds like you're a co-founder. And so I'm super curious, how did you meet your co-founder, and how did you know, like, you could start a business with this person?

Michael Nov

So we're four co-founders. And there is multiple stories that are intertwined between all four of us. And all four of us know each other from different walks of life, in different ways. So it all started when I was at Own, and my CEO back in the day asked me to acquire the best technical team I could find in Israel. And I got introduced by [Wild] Ventures to these two guys that were running an offensive cybersecurity company. And they wanted to sell the company, get out of the business. And we did a relatively complex transaction where they sold portions of it to one company, and then we bought the people. It was deep into COVID, and we had to build, do a transaction that is buying the people, this human capital, over the phone. So you can't meet in person, which is already complicated when you do M&A, because you want to get to know the people. Their names are Matan and Danny, and we had to build this deep relationship where they had to trust me and I had to trust them over phone calls. And we used to spend days talking over the phone, which basically made us very good friends. And then we end up working together for three years at Own, before starting Prime. And then Dimitry comes into the picture. He moved to the States five or six years ago, while working at PayPal as a security practitioner. So he led security architecture and threat modeling and security strategy, reporting to the CISO there. He's also an immigrant from the Soviet Union, also Israeli, also living in New York. Matan, one of my co-founders, knew him from his earlier career doing security consulting. He basically said, when we met each other, that, hey, there's this guy Dimitry. He also lives in New York. You are the same age, same background. You guys should meet and become friends. That's how Dimitry and I got to know each other. So it was very natural that when we start talking about the company and we identified this problem, we kind of... and he's like, well, I'm leading this space at PayPal. I'm literally the practitioner doing this. It's a huge problem for me at the enterprise. And it was a huge problem for us at the middle market. Well, fantastic. And his background is product. I'll call it a happy marriage, that we're all friends, we're all passionate about the same problem, and we all bring completely different skill sets to the table, making us a best-in-class team.

Sasha Sinkevich

What is the proudest day so far at the company?

Michael Nov

I think the first call from a customer. So specifically, if you go to the security design stage, the entire process is: you get a bunch of documentation from engineers and you need to review them, identify risk, provide that feedback to the engineer. And how we're unique here is that we built a platform that allows you to proactively identify risk for you. And this is based on integrations we have and so on. And we identified this risk at a design stage, kind of a [decision] based on engineering plans, that the security team were not aware. And this is a regulated healthcare company. They knew if it would go to development and developers would start working, they would have no idea it's happening, and it will create a regulatory issue. Getting that call and saying, look, guys, you identified something that is critical. The entire engineering team is working on it, but nobody notified me, because it's kind of urgent and they need to deploy it. You gave me eyes and ears that I didn't have before. Sign me up.

Jon McLachlan

I bet that felt just spectacular, to land real value in someone bringing something to market. You could be part of their entrepreneurial journey too, and sort of see all of the hard work that has led up to that point just sort of pay off right in that moment. So what about the converse of that question? What's been the most challenging day along your entrepreneurial journey so far?

Michael Nov

It was October 8th, 2023. I'll explain. Okay. We quit our jobs on October 1st, 2023. October 7 is a day that we'll all remember for the rest of our lives, as we all are Israelis. But we left on October 1st and started our fundraising calls on October 6th. And then October 7th happened. Everybody was affected. But for us, the impact on us, outside of the personal lives, on a professional front, it was like, what do we do? We had this fantastic fundraising plan. We know the funds that we need to talk to. We're deep in the Israeli ecosystem. It all goes away. So what do you do? How do you, like, essentially pivot on your second day of fundraising to figure out a new plan? And who do you need to talk to? How do you build a relationship with different funds in the US? Do you proceed, even? Which is always a question: like, hey, we just left our jobs. Should we go back?

Jon McLachlan

What did the rest of the day unfold to look like?

Michael Nov

So we put the board to the side for a day, and make sure that on a personal front, everybody's okay. One of our co-founders, whose wife is in the army, that he can manage the kids. Like, that on the personal, on the home front, we're stable, at least. Then we start figuring out: okay, what is the plan? And we quickly agree that, A, we're proceeding. There's no going back. We're committed to the vision, this is what we want to build, and that everybody's bought in, because you cannot do it yourself. You can't force people to do this. I don't believe in that style of leadership. And then, secondly, what's the plan? And go to the drawing board, figure out who we know, who can ask for introductions. The story is the same story. Now we need to get to different people. Let's get to the different people. Build a plan. We'll go execute. That will happen, not the first or the last time it will happen in my company's history. And it will continue happening. You need to be resilient. And that's what defines a great leader, is that resiliency, ability to acknowledge the difficulties that happen all the time and focus on continuing to build the company.

Sasha Sinkevich

As you went through the raise of the seed round, what was the most challenging part of that?

Michael Nov

Besides the events that led up to the kickoff of the round? Finding the right story, and how do you tell the story properly. At the end of the day, building companies is writing a book. You need to write the first chapter and figure out how to start properly, and what story and what narrative you want to tell. But I would still roll back and say that doing this while everything in Israel is unfolding. It's always looming in the background: what's going to happen? Is everybody okay? Who is going to go to the reserves? Two of my co-founders went to reserve duty for a while during that period. So that was kind of the main event that we're managing, and still impacting every company in Israel till today. That was always looming, and that was kind of the hardest part, was trying to manage everything while knowing this is happening.

Jon McLachlan

That does speak mountains to leadership. I think oftentimes people think of, like, ooh, troubling times for a company. You know, it must be some economic or internal thing, but oftentimes it's, like, life events totally outside of our control and totally outside of the company that can make being an entrepreneur, like, especially challenging.

Michael Nov

Yeah, look, life events will forever happen. We genuinely believe that if your home front is not okay, you cannot commit yourself to building a company, and it will never work well. You need to make sure that you have the support at home.

Sasha Sinkevich

What is the next pain point that you have to deal with as the co-founder of the company?

Michael Nov

Where do you want me to start?

Sasha Sinkevich

At the very top, at the biggest pain point.

Michael Nov

Figuring out what, within your hypothesis, and our hypothesis is that the design stage is broken, what is the right way to go about addressing that pain point? And what is the right sequence to build the product? Who are the right customers? Who do you want on your team building that with you? Don't just hire anybody, hire the right people. Who do you want to be there with you in the trenches?

Jon McLachlan

I'm super curious. Do you have a mentor, or someone that you've looked up to maybe over the years? And maybe it doesn't necessarily need to be someone that you know personally, but as an entrepreneur.

Michael Nov

My three previous managers are probably the closest thing to a mentor to me, and I'm still in very, very good relationship with all of them. One of them was the CTO of JPMorgan. He was my direct boss at Own. The one before, he was the vice chairman of Deloitte Consulting, and the one before was, he was a two-star general in the Israeli army. And I learned it very early that, work for the right people, it will pay out. You don't know how, you don't know when, but it will definitely, it will pay off eventually.

Sasha Sinkevich

What do you think will be the biggest challenge that security experts, security practitioners, will face in five years?

Michael Nov

You know, I'm gonna say the obvious. I mean, sometimes the obvious is not so obvious. The obvious is AI. It's moving at such crazy speed. Cursor went to zero to three hundred million dollars in ARR in, what, two years? And it's producing a bunch of code from prompts, which prompts are designed. So there's way more code being produced that somehow needs to be secured. Well, let's assume you can secure it with the code scanning tools. But there's a bunch of new designs being produced that nobody's ever looking at. And all of those are... I'm not saying that particularly is the largest problem, but it all goes back to AI. AI will do, how it will change our work. Agents talking to agents, you can extrapolate out so much. And the challenge is, I think, that we don't know how it's going to... it's such an exponential curve that it's very hard to imagine what's going to come next.

Sasha Sinkevich

So would you say the biggest pain point that we as practitioners will face: data governance? Is it access controls? Is it insecure design that is produced by AI tools? If you would name one, which one would it be?

Michael Nov

I'll phrase it a little differently. And I'll say keeping up with the new, the ever-growing and net new attack surface, driven by AI innovation.

Jon McLachlan

You're suggesting that things are moving so fast, and that change is happening so quickly, and that new technologies are being adopted at unprecedented rates, of people trying to keep up with being competitive or whatever, that as security practitioners it's going to be impossible to follow and to secure this new ecosystem of stuff. Is that what you're going for?

Michael Nov

I'm not suggesting it's going to be impossible. I'm suggesting that's going to be the biggest challenge, because the rate of change and the adoption of the change is nothing we have seen before. We'll have to adjust. We'll have to not adopt but embrace what AI brings to the table, because if not, it's going to be very, very hard to manage the change that's happening around.

Sasha Sinkevich

How do you guys embrace AI at PrimeSec?

Michael Nov

We're not a cloud-native, we're an AI-native company. AI is the core of our product. But outside of that, operationally, I think it's embedded in every single thing we do and every single function in the company. From engineering to sales to marketing to finance, everything will have an AI tool. I believe it's a new standard.

Sasha Sinkevich

Do you think we'll get to a point where AI actually starts replacing humans? Or do you think there will always be a human kind of there, watching, checking, approving?

Michael Nov

Depends for what roles. I think that for some roles, kind of lower-level ones from a white-collar perspective, for the more complex tasks, I believe that at some point, yes. But where this point is, there's AGI scientists that are working on this day in and day out that can probably tell you better than I do. So I won't be presumptuous to say, okay, it's going to happen next month.

Jon McLachlan

No, I appreciate that. This is really interesting. We have all of these moving parts. AI is just accelerating everything. If we keep looking into the future and we think about, okay, what does success look like for Prime Security? Maybe for your team, maybe even for yourself. What does success look like? How do you know that you've made that impact?

Michael Nov

Going back to my previous point, that the change is so rapid around security, I want to leverage the existing AI tools to change some of the work done by security, to allow them to adjust and adapt to this new paradigm. That's what success looks like, actually driving this change. Looking backwards and saying that I created something that helped practitioners, helped my customers, and left a significant impact on them. Allowing them to let the business run with this change while not feeling that they are insecure, or being the [Department of No], saying no, we can['t] do that. No, we can['t] do that. Because you're pushing forward, and I can support the way you push forward, because I have the support as a practitioner.

Sasha Sinkevich

If you could ask someone else to build a solution to a pain point that you're currently not working on, what would that pain point be, and what would that solution look like?

Michael Nov

I have an answer that is very, very timely, and maybe when this show airs, there will be a company that are announced. But one of the largest pain points that I see now is MCP management, specifically at the enterprise. Like, MCPs all of a sudden became everywhere, but there's no tooling for the enterprise to actually manage MCPs. What is installed where? What can be installed, what has to be installed, what cannot be installed. And within the MCP, there is data. So, what is the RBAC on that data, even? And I can give you different use cases of how you have some of the MCPs that will help you secure. So, those are the ones that have to be there on different developer endpoints or employee endpoints. That has to have a kind of DLP. Think about a DLP product. It's there, but you don't know it's there. Employees can opt out, opt in, and you want to see who opted in. And if somebody opted out, you want to see. That does not exist. So we're in such a wild, wild west in this space. And talking to enterprises, I know, and we have, and I'm saying it from a pain point perspective, because we have an MCP server, and we can deliver design risks and recommendations directly into the IDEs and to the [agentic] platforms. It's very difficult to deploy, because you can't expect security teams to go install it one developer at a time. So you need some management, and you want to make sure everybody opts in, and track if somebody opts out. That does not exist, which creates friction for me as a vendor, let alone a friction for the buyer, who's looking at so many solutions, because everybody now has an MCP server. So, yes. Anecdotally, I know of one or two teams that are working on it, starting thinking about it. So, I'm pretty sure that by the time this airs, somebody will announce, like, hey, we have a solution. It's just such a timely problem.

Jon McLachlan

If you could travel back in time and meet your younger self, would you? And if you would, what advice would you have for yourself?

Michael Nov

Take more risks, and take them sooner. As an immigrant, you're a little bit risk-averse. You grew up in an environment that you can't take a lot of risks, because there is, in many cases, no backstop. And as a double immigrant, it's double that. My advice would be, if I knew that I wanted to be an entrepreneur, I should have done it sooner. Take those risks, and if you think you can only do it when you do X, no, think again. You can do it earlier. Because the learning curve is just so steep. And the sooner you have it, the more it compounds. And you want to start the compounding effect as soon as you can.

Jon McLachlan

That's true. Because it adds up and it piles up.

Michael Nov

Yep. So start it early.

Jon McLachlan

You can start earning that interest on all of your new knowledge, your new experience.

Michael Nov

So that's probably going to be the biggest advice. There's never a good time to take a risk anyway. There's never a good time to start a company. You can always find, like, a reason not to do it. Always. One has three kids, two of us have two kids. Both the seconds were born while we already were working on Prime, and the fourth one has one. But you can say, it's not a good time. Like, you're having kids, your kids are super young. It's never a good time. You always will have excuses why not to do it.

Sasha Sinkevich

What would have been your excuse not to do it?

Michael Nov

It's not a good time. I'm going to want a second child. I have a one-year-old. Like, is it a good time? I was a senior executive role at a very successful [Series E] startup. Should you leave? Why are you leaving? This is a fantastic job, a super nice growing company.

Jon McLachlan

Messing up something perfectly good.

Michael Nov

Fixing a problem that doesn't exist.

Jon McLachlan

Fixing a problem, yes.

Michael Nov

And that nobody could fix. It's thinking that there's a net new category somewhere.

Jon McLachlan

There it is. I mean, we're all a little bit crazy. Something that I like to share with folks is that normal people are people we just don't know very well. That includes ourselves.

Michael Nov

You know, my wife would agree with you. She would say that I get bored with normal people.

Jon McLachlan

But she sounds like a keeper.

Michael Nov

Yeah, she is a keeper. I never thought about it like [that]. Just easy to put it this way. Cool. I'll tell her.

Jon McLachlan

Just a different way of looking at things. Okay. Well, thank you so much for joining us on another episode of The Security Podcast of Silicon Valley. I'm Jon McLachlan, one of the hosts. I'm joined today with Sasha Sinkevich, the other host, and our amazing guest, Michael Nov, the co-founder and CEO of Prime Security. Thank you.

Sasha Sinkevich

It's a pleasure having you on the show, Michael. And a huge thank you to all of our listeners for tuning in to this episode. And stay tuned for the next. This has been a YSecurity production. Thank you, everyone.

Michael Nov

Thanks, guys. Thank you.

FAQ

Questions this episode answers

What does Prime Security do?
It reviews software designs for security risk before code is written. On the tape Michael describes reading the artifacts engineers already produce, such as tickets and design documents, identifying risk at the design stage and handing back requirements, so that product security teams at terrible reviewer-to-engineer ratios can cover all planned work instead of a fraction of it. By 2026 the product spanned autonomous design reviews, AI security code reviews, coding guardrails for agents, supply chain security and continuous white-box pentesting.
What is design-stage security?
Security review of what is about to be built, at the point where the architecture and data-flow decisions are made, rather than of the code after it exists. Michael's argument is that the SDLC starts with designing and planning, that this stage is where the critical decisions happen, and that the existing process is manual and consultative, which at a ratio of three security people to 300 engineers means most plans are never reviewed and security finds out at deployment.
Why does Michael Nov say AI makes this worse?
Because code is now produced from prompts at a rate nothing in the industry has seen, and every prompt is a design decision. Scanners can read the code, but the designs behind it are being produced faster than anyone reviews them. His five-year challenge for practitioners is keeping up with the net new attack surface driven by AI innovation, and his advice is to embrace AI rather than merely adopt it.
What happened to the co-founders on October 7, 2023?
They had quit their jobs on October 1 and started fundraising calls on October 6. Michael names October 8 as his most challenging day: everybody was affected personally, and professionally the fundraising plan, built on the Israeli ecosystem, was gone. They checked that everyone's home front was stable, decided to proceed, and rebuilt the plan around different investors. Two co-founders served reserve duty during the raise. The $6 million seed closed in October 2024.
Who are Prime Security's founders?
Michael Nov, chief executive, who was chief of staff to OwnBackup's chief technology officer and led product strategy there after Deloitte and a stint as a captain in the Israel Defense Forces. Matan Markovics and Danny Hanga, who ran an offensive security company that Michael acquired for Own by phone during COVID and who are now vice president of research and development and chief technology officer. And Dimitry Shvartsman, who led security architecture and threat modeling at PayPal and is chief product officer.
What was the first customer call that mattered?
A regulated healthcare company whose security team was told by Prime, at the design stage, about an urgent plan the entire engineering team was working on and nobody had flagged. The customer's words, as Michael tells it: you gave me eyes and ears that I didn't have before, sign me up.
What is the MCP management problem Michael describes?
Enterprises had no tooling to manage Model Context Protocol servers: what is installed where, what can, must and cannot be installed, what the role-based access to the data inside a server is, and who opted in or out. He raised it as a vendor whose own MCP server was hard to deploy one developer at a time, and predicted a solution would be announced by air date. Cloudflare's MCP Server Portals went into open beta the day the episode was published.
What advice does Michael Nov give his younger self?
Take more risks, and take them sooner. Immigrants are risk-averse because there is no backstop, and a double immigrant doubly so. The learning curve is steep and it compounds, so start early. There is never a good time to start a company, and the excuses, young kids, a good job at a successful company, are always available.
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